Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke released the Billboard Hot *1 smash “Blurred Lines” more than two years ago, but due to a copyright infringement lawsuit brought against the musicians by Marvin Gaye’s estate, the track feels like it’s been ubiquitous in the news and media for decades.

Thicke and Williams were found liable (and denied a subsequent retrial) for infringing on “Got To Give It Up”, with their 2013 hit record earlier this spring, and now The Hollywood Reporter has obtained exclusive footage of Pharrell’s 2014 deposition with the Gaye estate lawyers.

The video’s incredibly compelling to watch — Pharrell appears sullen the entire time, firing back as confrontationally as possible, and deeply sighing. The megaproducer repeatedly tells his questioner “I’m not here to teach you music” upon being grilled about chord structure and notation. Watch below.